What Veggies And Insect Best for Veilds?

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  1. geckonewbie

    geckonewbie New Member

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    my cousin and me are breeding chameleons we have about 50 adult veilds and i hear regular lettace is bad for chameleons but whats the best to feed the veilds for insect and vegs
    i heard crickets arnt the best for a stable diet for them and heard that you can feed them earth worms is this true???


    but thansk all who help out
     
  2. JEFFREH

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  3. KAOSRacing

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    Since I have bearded dragons and a veiled, I feed crickets as a staple for both. As far as veggies, I usually put small amount of the same salad greens (typically mustard and collard greens) in with the Chami that I feed to the beardies.

    The thoughts I've seen on earthworms is while they might be a good feeder, the environment they live in encourages the growth of possible harmful bacteria and parasites which could do more harm to your animal than the nutrition the worms provide.

    Honestly how much research have you and your cousin done before buying ~50 adult Veilds to breed? This is a pretty basic question that should have been answered before a single one was bought!
     
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  5. Summoner12

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    You are breeding chameleons and you have 50 adults AND you don't know what to feed them?

    You can feed them crickets as a stable just fine. You need to supplement the crickets.

    Follow this link for how you should schedule the different kinds of supplements: http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blog...upplements.html

    Follow these links to purchase the supplements:

    Calcium with D3: http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptil...alcium-with-d3/

    Calcium without D3: http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptil...ium-without-d3/

    Herpavite: http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptil...ite-supplement/

    What kind of lighting and cages are you using?
     
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  7. kinyonga

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    You said..."my cousin and me are breeding chameleons we have about 50 adult veilds and i hear regular lettace is bad for chameleons but whats the best to feed the veilds for insect and vegs
    i heard crickets arnt the best for a stable diet for them and heard that you can feed them earth worms is this true???"...there is nothing wrong with crickets. They are easy to gutload. You can also feed them silkworms, superworms, (once in a while) waxworms, roaches, hornworms (not from your garden...wild ones are toxic) etc.

    As for lettuce, there are better things to feed to your veileds. You can give them an assortment of greens (dandelions, kale, collards, curly endive, escarole, mustard greens, etc.) and veggies (carrots, squash, sweet potato, zucchini, sweet red pepper, etc.) and a bit of fruit (apple, pear, melon, berries, etc.)

    Your crickets can be fed the same greens and veggies.

    Your chameleons need a source of UVB so that they can produce vitamin D3 so that they can use the calcium in their diets. The UVB can come from direct sunlight or from the light of a UVB tube/linear light. The UVB from either should not pass through glass or plastic.

    Most of the feeder insects have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorous, so dusting the insects at most feedings just before you feed them to your chameleons with a phos.-free calcium powder helps to make up for this.

    To ensure that they get their vitamins, you can dust with a vitamin powder that has a beta carotene source of vitamin A twice a month. Beta carotene sources of vitamin A won't build up in the system like preformed vitamin A can. There is controversy as to whether all chameleons can convert the beta carotene to vitamin A so some people give them a little preformed once in a while. Preformed can build up in the system...so be very careful with this. Excess preformed vitamin A can prevent the D3 from doing its job and lead to MBD.

    If your chameleon gets no direct sunlight, then you may need to dust lightly with a phos.-free calcium/D3 powder a couple of times a month. D3 from supplements can also build up in the system...so don't overdo it.

    Appropriate temperatures allow for proper digestion...so they play a part in nutrient absorption.

    Water is important too.

    Calcium, phos. vitamin D3 and vitamin A are the main players in bone health and they need to be in balance. Look at your supplements, what you feed to the insects and what you feed to the chameleon when trying to attain a balance.

    Here are some sites with good information (in addition to the ones you were already given)...
    http://www.adcham.com/
    http://www.chameleonnews.com/
    http://www.uvguide.co.uk/index.htm
    http://web.archive.org/web/20060502074415/...out.Basics.html
    http://www.chameleonforums.com/supplementation-mbd-1-a-2451/

    Hope this helps!
     

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